Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/02/2023 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:03:38 AM Start
09:07:32 AM Presentation: Order of Operations – Alaska's Oil Tax Regime
10:47:29 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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Order of Operations - Alaska's Oil Tax Regime
- Dan Stickel, Chief Economist - Dept. of Revenue
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 2, 2023                                                                                           
                         9:03 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:03:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dan Stickel,  Chief Economist, Economic Research  Group, Tax                                                                    
Division, Department of Revenue.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ORDER OF OPERATIONS  ALASKA'S OIL TAX REGIME                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  discussed the agenda. He  relayed that the                                                                    
committee  would  hear  a  presentation   on  the  order  of                                                                    
operations, focusing  on how the  oil monies  flowed through                                                                    
and were allocated  out of the oil basins.  He mentioned the                                                                    
Revenue Source  Book (RSB), which detailed  state sources of                                                                    
revenue   (copy   on   file).  He   highlighted   that   the                                                                    
presentation  would be  a high-level  overview.   He thought                                                                    
that  the high-level  overview would  be informative  to new                                                                    
legislators and staff. He hoped  to also discuss some of the                                                                    
component parts of the RSB.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:07:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  ORDER  OF  OPERATIONS     ALASKA'S  OIL  TAX                                                                  
REGIME                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:07:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN STICKEL,  CHIEF ECONOMIST, ECONOMIC RESEARCH  GROUP, TAX                                                                    
DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF  REVENUE, introduced  himself  and                                                                    
discussed  his   background.  He  was  a   graduate  of  the                                                                    
University  of  Alaska  and had  joined  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue in  2004 as a non-petroleum  economist. He mentioned                                                                    
that  he moved  into petroleum  taxes during  the transition                                                                    
from  The  Economic Limit  Factor  (ELF)  to the  Production                                                                    
Profit  Tax (PPT)  in 2006,  which then  turned to  Alaska's                                                                    
Clear and  Equitable Share (ACES)  in 2007, and  finally the                                                                    
current regime in 2013 under SB 21.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   asked  whether  Mr.  Stickel   had  been                                                                    
involved in the RSB.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel affirmed that he  had been involved in producing                                                                    
the RSB for almost two decades.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel discussed  a  presentation  entitled "Order  of                                                                    
Operations  Presentation" (copy  on file).  He relayed  that                                                                    
the purpose of the presentation  was to produce a high-level                                                                    
overview of how the current  tax system worked for the North                                                                    
Slope, as a refresher for  the committee and an introduction                                                                    
for those who were new to the conversation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:09:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel looked at slide 2, "Acronyms":                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ANS  Alaska North Slope                                                                                                    
     ANWR  Arctic National Wildlife Refuge                                                                                      
     Avg  Average                                                                                                               
     Bbl  Barrel                                                                                                                
     CBRF  Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund                                                                                   
     CIT  Corporate Income Tax                                                                                                  
     DOR  Department of Revenue                                                                                                 
     FY  Fiscal Year                                                                                                            
     GVPP Gross Value at Point of Production                                                                                    
     GVR Gross Value Reduction                                                                                                  
     NPR-A National Petroleum Reserve Alaska                                                                                    
     OCS Outer Continental Shelf                                                                                                
     PTV Production Tax Value                                                                                                   
     SB21 Senate Bill 21, passed in 2013                                                                                        
     TAPS Trans Alaska Pipeline System                                                                                          
     Ths -Thousands                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel noted  that there were numerous  acronyms in the                                                                    
oil and gas industry as well as in tax statue.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:10:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel spoke to slide 3, "Agenda":                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     • Oil and Gas Revenue Sources                                                                                              
          o How production tax fits in                                                                                          
          o FY 2021 FY 2025 oil and gas revenues                                                                                
    • Production Tax Calculation "Order of Operations"                                                                          
          o Detailed walk-through of each step of tax                                                                           
          calculation for FY 2024                                                                                               
          o Defining commonly used terms                                                                                        
          o Focus on North Slope oil                                                                                            
          o FY 2021 FY 2025 comparison                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel shared that the  purpose of the presentation was                                                                    
to explain the  nuts and bolts of the tax  regime and not to                                                                    
discuss policy.  He reiterated  that the  focus would  be on                                                                    
North Slope oil.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:10:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel referenced slide 4, "Disclaimer":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Alaska's severance tax is one of the most complex in                                                                     
     the world and portions are subject to interpretation                                                                       
     and dispute.                                                                                                               
     • These numbers are rough approximations based on                                                                          
     public data, as presented in the Fall 2022 Revenue                                                                         
     Sources Book and other revenue forecasts.                                                                                  
     • This presentation is solely for illustrative general                                                                     
     purposes.                                                                                                                  
       Not an official statement as to any particular tax                                                                       
     liability, interpretation, or treatment.                                                                                   
       Not tax advice or guidance.                                                                                              
     • Some numbers may differ due to rounding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel added a disclaimer  that the presentation took a                                                                    
complex  tax  system  and  distilled  the  information  into                                                                    
easily understandable  pieces. He  added that that  the data                                                                    
used was aggregate  and was not necessarily the  same as the                                                                    
numbers in the detail specific  modeling used in the RSB. He                                                                    
said  when  looking at  actual  taxes  the company  specific                                                                    
calculation  was  based  on company  tax  filings  and  were                                                                    
subject to audit. He noted that  he was an economist and not                                                                    
an auditor,  and any information  he provided should  not be                                                                    
interpreted  as  an  official   tax  interpretation  or  tax                                                                    
advice.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  Mr.  Stickel  to discuss  severance                                                                    
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel relayed that a  severance tax was any tax levied                                                                    
by  a sovereign  on  the severing  of  resources within  the                                                                    
jurisdiction of  a sovereign. He  said that  severance taxes                                                                    
were common  to produce oil and  gas; in Alaska we  refer to                                                                    
the severance tax as a production tax.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  more focus  on the  aggregated data                                                                    
that was  used to set  policy versus the  individual company                                                                    
data. He  expressed curiosity about why  different companies                                                                    
would have different reactions to proposed policy.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  cited that DOR was  statutorily prohibited from                                                                    
disclosing any  information that would allow  members of the                                                                    
public  or  the legislature  any  knowledge  of tax  returns                                                                    
related to specific a company  or field. For the purposes of                                                                    
the  presentation information  from  multiple companies  and                                                                    
multiple  fields had  been aggregated.  He  noted that  each                                                                    
field and company had a  unique production profile and plans                                                                    
as  how  the  state  fit   in  to  their  overall  corporate                                                                    
business. He  thought it  was the  case that  some companies                                                                    
would  have  a higher  cost  structure,  some a  lower  cost                                                                    
structure, and policy would affect companies differently.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:14:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman interjected  that it  was challenging  for                                                                    
policy  makers to  hit a  spot,  policy wise,  that fit  all                                                                    
parties. He  reiterated that  there were  multiple companies                                                                    
with different  structures and  cost exposures.  He asserted                                                                    
that the  legislature could  not craft  policy that  met the                                                                    
needs  of   corporations  unless  those   corporations  came                                                                    
forward and voluntarily provided  the information to support                                                                    
their desires related to tax policy.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman mentioned  the first  bullet on  slide 4,"                                                                    
Disclaimer:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      Alaskas severance tax is one of the most complex in                                                                    
        the world and portions are subject to interpretation                                                                    
        and dispute.                                                                                                            
      These numbers are rough approximations based on                                                                        
        public data, as presented in the fall 2022 Revenue                                                                      
        Sources Book and other revenue forecasts.                                                                               
      This presentation is solely for illustrative general                                                                   
        purposes.                                                                                                               
      Not an official statement as to any particular tax                                                                     
        liability, interpretation, or treatment.                                                                                
      Not tax advice or guidance.                                                                                            
      Some numbers may differ due to rounding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  stressed  that  the  state  had  multiple                                                                    
consultants  testify  that  Alaska   had  the  most  complex                                                                    
severance tax  in the  world. He  discussed the  various tax                                                                    
evolutions over  the past several  decades. He  thought that                                                                    
simplification of  the structure would  be nice but  was not                                                                    
currently the case.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:17:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  turned  to  slide  5,  "Oil  and  Gas  Revenue                                                                    
Sources":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
       Royalty  based on gross value of production                                                                            
          o Plus bonuses, rents, and interest                                                                                   
          o Paid to Owner of the land: State, Federal, or                                                                       
          Private                                                                                                               
          o Usually 12.5% or 16.67% in Alaska, but rates                                                                        
          vary                                                                                                                  
       Corporate Income Tax  based on net income                                                                              
          o Paid to State (9.4% top rate)                                                                                       
          o Paid to Federal (21% top rate)                                                                                      
          o Only C-Corporations* pay this tax                                                                                   
       Property Tax  based on value of oil & gas property                                                                     
          o Paid to State (2% of assessed value or "20                                                                          
          mills")                                                                                                               
          o Paid to Municipalities credit offsets state                                                                         
          tax paid                                                                                                              
      Production Tax  based on "production tax value"                                                                         
          o Paid to State calculation to follow                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     *  C-Corporation is  a business  term that  is used  to                                                                    
     distinguish  the type  of business  entity, as  defined                                                                    
     under  subchapter C  of  the  federal Internal  Revenue                                                                    
     Code.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  explained that  the slide  gave an  overview of                                                                    
the four major oil and gas revenue sources to the state.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  summarized that when looking  at oil basin                                                                    
revenue the four components needed  to be added together. He                                                                    
noted that  some of  the revenue that  went to  boroughs was                                                                    
considered  when  determining  revenue   to  the  state.  He                                                                    
discussed various royalty rates and  said that they were not                                                                    
dissimilar to property tax.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:20:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  considered  slide  6,  "Oil  and  Gas  Revenue                                                                    
Sources:  Five-Year  Comparison  of  State  Revenue,"  which                                                                    
showed a  table that  showed a comparison  of five  years of                                                                    
state revenue from oil and gas  with data from the Fall 2022                                                                    
RSB. He relayed that  the slide contained historical figures                                                                    
for  FY21  and  FY22,  partially complete  numbers  for  the                                                                    
current  fiscal year,  and forecasted  numbers for  FY24 and                                                                    
FY25. He  noted that  the property tax  share shown  did not                                                                    
include the  amount that went  to municipalities,  which was                                                                    
approximately $450 million  for the current year.   He noted                                                                    
in FY  21 the state  had negative revenue for  corporate tax                                                                    
due  to  Covid-19  relief  provisions.  The  department  was                                                                    
expecting robust growth in tax  revenue for the next several                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel noted  that the royalties shown on  slide 6 also                                                                    
included bonuses,  rents, and royalties.  The final  two oil                                                                    
and  gas  revenue  sources were  any  settlements  based  on                                                                    
assessments  or  disputes  of  prior  year  production  tax,                                                                    
royalties,  or other  mineral taxes  or levies  dedicated to                                                                    
the CBR. He said that  the federal government shared half of                                                                    
any revues from the  National Petroleum Reserve (NPR), which                                                                    
would eventually include the Willow project.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:23:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  Mr. Stickel  to discuss  the decisions                                                                    
made regarding the corporate income tax refunds.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  explained  that the  state  followed  "rolling                                                                    
conformity"  regarding federal  income tax  code. The  state                                                                    
adopted by  reference many provisions of  federal income tax                                                                    
code;  when   the  federal  government  made   a  change  to                                                                    
corporate  income  taxes  the  state  automatically  adopted                                                                    
those changes unless  the legislature chose to  opt out. The                                                                    
Coronavirus Aid,  Relief, and Economic Security  (CARES) Act                                                                    
included a  relief provision that  allowed for  companies to                                                                    
carry back net operating losses  from 2018, 2019, 2020 up to                                                                    
5 years,  and receive  a refund for  prior year  taxes paid.                                                                    
Through  rolling  conformity,   the  state  had  immediately                                                                    
adopted  the provision  into  state law.  He  said that  the                                                                    
action  generated significant  refunds paid  to corporations                                                                    
by the state in 2021 and 2022.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl thought  it was valuable for  Alaskans to know                                                                    
that  other taxpayers  in  the state  had  not enjoyed  such                                                                    
refunds.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:24:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman commented on the  subject matter of the tax                                                                    
change  that would  allow for  a lookback  and restating  of                                                                    
taxes. He  noted that the  practice had been  nationwide and                                                                    
had  not been  limited to  the  oil industry.  He asked  Mr.                                                                    
Stickel  corporate income  tax  and C  corporations and  the                                                                    
funds expected from that revenue stream.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel explained that the  corporate income tax applied                                                                    
to C corporations. Currently,  two-thirds of production came                                                                    
from C  corporations, less than one-third  of the production                                                                    
came  from companies  not subject  to  the corporate  income                                                                    
tax. If  there was an  assumption that corporate  income tax                                                                    
forecasted   for  C   corporations  would   scale  up   with                                                                    
production, then  expanding the corporate income  tax to all                                                                    
oil and  gas companies would  generate over $100  million of                                                                    
incremental  revenue  each  year;  the  exact  number  would                                                                    
depend on the  specific detail of each company  added to the                                                                    
tax calculation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:28:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about the  aggregate impact  to the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel relayed  that the aggregate impact  was going to                                                                    
be  approximately $100  million,  per  year, of  potentially                                                                    
forgone tax revenue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered how  many years the  practice had                                                                    
been applies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  stated that historically a  much larger portion                                                                    
of industry activity was made  up by C corporations who were                                                                    
subject to the  corporate income tax. He said  that over the                                                                    
last  several  years the  number  had  dropped and  was  now                                                                    
approximately two-thirds, or 70 percent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that  the department provide more                                                                    
information  on the  impact.  He spoke  to  the increase  of                                                                    
production,  which  he  believed   should  be  part  of  the                                                                    
equation.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  whether there  was  any difference  in                                                                    
corporate income tax  for oil found under  state land versus                                                                    
federal land.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel stated  that all the taxes applied  the same for                                                                    
any production on  state land and within  the states  3-mile                                                                    
limit.  He  said  that significant  differences  in  royalty                                                                    
provisions  could  be  seen  depending   on  where  oil  was                                                                    
produced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:30:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Stickel  displayed  slide 7,  "Fiscal  System:  Overall                                                                    
Order of Operations":                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Royalties (State, Federal, or Private)                                                                                     
     Property Tax                                                                                                               
     Production Tax                                                                                                             
     State Corporate Income Tax                                                                                                 
     Federal Corporate Income Tax                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel explained  that the royalties came  off the top;                                                                    
the landowner  was entitled to  compensation of  their share                                                                    
of production  before any taxes  were applies.  The property                                                                    
tax   for  upstream   property   was   considered  a   lease                                                                    
expenditure for the  production tax and was  looked at prior                                                                    
to  the  production tax.  The  property  tax was  deductible                                                                    
against  corporate income  taxes.  The  production tax  came                                                                    
after subtracting royalties and  allowing for property taxes                                                                    
(deductible  in the  property tax  calculation), and  before                                                                    
corporate income taxes. The production  tax was a deductible                                                                    
expense for  purposes of  calculation the  worldwide taxable                                                                    
income that  was the basis  for corporate income  taxes. The                                                                    
state  corporate  income tax  became  a  deduction from  the                                                                    
federal corporate income tax.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried the subject of  double deductions.                                                                    
He  asked  Mr.  Stickel  to  address  why  it  was  standard                                                                    
procedure  and  the  double deductions  were  allowable.  He                                                                    
noted that the practice was not isolated to Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  explained that the  expenditures allowed  to be                                                                    
deduction  when  calculation  the net  production  tax  were                                                                    
standard of  fiscal system  around the  world. He  said that                                                                    
companies were  allowed to recoup  the costs  of operations.                                                                    
For the  corporate tax those expenditures  would factor into                                                                    
the calculation of the worldwide income.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:34:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  noted that the  subject came up  often. He                                                                    
asked  Mr. Stickel  to  highlight why  it  was important  to                                                                    
allow deductions  of the  production tax  and the  timing of                                                                    
the deductions.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  explained  that  production  tax  overall  was                                                                    
developed as a  net profits tax. The deduction  of costs and                                                                    
establishment  of the  tax rate  and various  provisions was                                                                    
developed  together  with the  deduction  of  cost being  an                                                                    
integral  part  of  the  fiscal  system.  From  a  company's                                                                    
perspective, the ability  to recoup costs and  make a profit                                                                    
on  their  investment  was  the  priority.  The  ability  to                                                                    
realize  credit  for  any   expenditures  was  important  to                                                                    
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thought  that there  could  be  confusion                                                                    
around  what   was  considered   deductions  and   what  was                                                                    
considered  a credit.  He thought  the concept  was somewhat                                                                    
abstract.  He pondered  the benefits  of quicker  deductions                                                                    
versus slower deductions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:38:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman commented  that when the state  went from a                                                                    
gross tax to  a net tax, it allowed the  state to accelerate                                                                    
the  deductions  and  change  the   rates  of  return  in  a                                                                    
favorable direction  for marginal fields as  the basin aged.                                                                    
He commented on  the ripple effect of making  changes to the                                                                    
tax structure, and unanticipated effects.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed that companies  were able to recoup costs                                                                    
through  a deduction  instead of  a credit.  The legislature                                                                    
had  taken  action  to eliminate  that  capital  expenditure                                                                    
credits  and net  operating loss  credits  and had  replaced                                                                    
them with deductions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:39:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked whether capital  credits could still be                                                                    
deducted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  relayed that  for any  credits earned  prior to                                                                    
2016-2017  when the  changes were  made,  the company  could                                                                    
still  apply  the  credits   against  the  tax  calculation.                                                                    
Currently if there was a loss,  it could be a deduction that                                                                    
could be  carried forward, as  opposed to a tax  credit that                                                                    
then must be used against the tax liability.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:40:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  highlighted slide 8, "Production  Tax "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY 2024,"  which showed  a table  based on  an                                                                    
income  statement that  was included  in Appendix  E of  the                                                                    
Fall 2022  RSB. He  noted that  there would  be a  series of                                                                    
slides  addressing the  table piece  by piece.  He qualified                                                                    
that the original  RSB version had failed  to recognize that                                                                    
2024 would be  a leap year, which had  been corrected online                                                                    
and on the slide. He  relayed that that slide walked through                                                                    
an  illustration of  the years   production tax  calculation                                                                    
step-by-step,  with  a focus  on  the  North Slope  oil  tax                                                                    
calculation. The daily production  value projection for FY24                                                                    
was $41 million per day, with  an annual value of just under                                                                    
$15 billion.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel stated that the  next several slides would focus                                                                    
on taking the  just under $15 billion of oil  and how it was                                                                    
split between the  various cost centers and how  the tax was                                                                    
applied.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:42:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  recalled some  debate surrounding  how the                                                                    
tax revenue  would be quantified.  The committee  had worked                                                                    
through the issues  and agreed to look not only  at what was                                                                    
at the  states  disposal  for funding the  operating budget,                                                                    
but  the total  revenue  for the  state,  including the  oil                                                                    
basin. He said that the  process had led to the income-style                                                                    
statement at the back of  the RSB. He highlighted the column                                                                    
on the far  right of the table on slide  8, which showed the                                                                    
minimum  tax  floor   and  the  net  tax   in  two  separate                                                                    
calculations.  He  felt  that  the  delineation  helped  the                                                                    
public  understand the  two  possible  directions the  state                                                                    
could  take.  He appreciated  the  use  of red  numbers  and                                                                    
brackets, which  made it easier  to interpret  the projected                                                                    
numbers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  thanked  the department  for  continually                                                                    
evolving the information and for  working with the committee                                                                    
on this complicated issue.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:46:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  looked at  slide 9,  "Production Tax  "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous  slide   with  a   highlighted  area   showing  the                                                                    
calculation of  royalty and taxable  barrels. He  noted that                                                                    
any royalty and taxable  barrels were deducted regardless of                                                                    
ownership. He cited  that typical a rate  was one-eighth, or                                                                    
a 12.5  percent royalty, and  applied to most  older fields.                                                                    
He said  that the typical  rate for  a newer field  was one-                                                                    
sixth, to 16.67  percent. He noted that  rates varied across                                                                    
fields.   Any  federal  and private  land  royalty was  also                                                                    
deducted  from the  tax calculation  in addition  to royalty                                                                    
for state owned  land. He said that any  barrels not subject                                                                    
to tax  due to being  outside the states  3-mile  limit were                                                                    
also deducted.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  continued that after subtracting  royalties the                                                                    
taxable  barrels  were  considered.   He  said  161  million                                                                    
barrels totaling $13 billion were estimated for FY24.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:47:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  addressed slide 10,  "Production Tax  "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous  slide   with  a   highlighted  area   showing  the                                                                    
calculation of  gross value at  point of  production (GVPP),                                                                    
which was also known as  well-head value. Mr. Stickel walked                                                                    
through how the GVPP was calculated.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:49:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson asked about  the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System                                                                    
(TAPS) and the  rate of return. He understood  that the rate                                                                    
of return  could be  changed and  wondered whether  that had                                                                    
been considered.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel was  not prepared  to speak  on the  matter and                                                                    
agreed to get back to the committee with more information.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked Mr.  Stickel  to  get back  to  the                                                                    
committee  and include  information about  why more  through                                                                    
put  in the  pipeline  was important.  He  thought that  the                                                                    
Willow  field might  not have  the royalties  coming to  the                                                                    
treasury that  might be expected  but the project  still had                                                                    
benefits to the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel   explained  that  for  operation   of  an  oil                                                                    
pipeline, the  per-barrel cost was calculated  by taking the                                                                    
total  cost of  operating the  pipeline (which  included the                                                                    
rate  of return)  and divided  it by  the number  of barrels                                                                    
going  through  the  pipeline  to arrive  at  a  per  barrel                                                                    
tariff. He  furthered that a  fixed asset like TAPS,  with a                                                                    
stable operation  cost, increasing  oil production  would be                                                                    
divided  over a  higher  number of  barrels  resulting in  a                                                                    
smaller  per barrel  amount. He  concluded that  having more                                                                    
oil in the pipeline  reduced the average transportation cost                                                                    
for all barrels from all fields.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:51:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  thought there used  to be a footnote  in the                                                                    
RSB that  broke down  the history of  oil production  in the                                                                    
state, per year.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  agreed  to work  with  Department  of  Natural                                                                    
Resources  to provide  an  informational royalties  timeline                                                                    
for the committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:52:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel advanced to slide  11, "Production Tax "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous  slide  with  a   highlighted  area  showing  lease                                                                    
expenditures.  He  explained  that  the entire  value  of  a                                                                    
capital  expenditure   could  be   deducted  for   the  year                                                                    
incurred;   capital  expenditures   were   defined  by   IRS                                                                    
guideline.  He said  that anything  considered an  allowable                                                                    
expense  that  was  not  a   capital  expenditure  would  be                                                                    
considered an operating  expenditure. He mentioned allowable                                                                    
lease  expenditures,  which  were  any  of  the  capital  or                                                                    
operating costs  in the unit which  were directly associated                                                                    
with producing  the oil. He  used examples  of non-allowable                                                                    
lease  expenditures:  financing   costs,  lease  acquisition                                                                    
costs, dispute resolution  costs, dismantlement, removal, or                                                                    
restoration  at the  end of  field life.  He explained  that                                                                    
"deductible lease  expenditure" was a term  of art developed                                                                    
by  the  department   and  was  not  found   in  statute  or                                                                    
regulation. He relayed  that the term was  used when looking                                                                    
at  the portion  of  the allowable  lease expenditures  that                                                                    
were applied in the tax calculation,  in a given year, up to                                                                    
the gross  value of point  of production. He  furthered that                                                                    
non-deductible  were  in  the  allowable  ease  expenditures                                                                    
above  and beyond  the oil  produced.  The deductible  lease                                                                    
expenditures would  reflect spending by  incumbent producers                                                                    
and non-deductible expenditures  was by companies performing                                                                    
exploration  and  development  with  little  to  no  current                                                                    
production.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:55:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel directed  attention to the bottom  of the slide,                                                                    
"Net  New Lease  Expenditures Earned  and Carried  Forward,"                                                                    
which  were  any  of the  non-deductible  expenditures  that                                                                    
turned into   carry forward   lease expenditures  that could                                                                    
be used to  reduce future year taxes    assuming the company                                                                    
had  sufficient production  and  gross value  in the  future                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:56:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl   thought  it  sounded   like  there   was  a                                                                    
significant difference in  how the tax system  treated a new                                                                    
entrant as  opposed to  a long-time  producer. He  asked Mr.                                                                    
Stickel to address comparisons between the two.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  relayed  that  for  a  current  producer  with                                                                    
production  elsewhere  on  the   slope,  the  company  would                                                                    
recognize the  benefit of  any spending  the same  year that                                                                    
they spent the money. A  new company that received the carry                                                                    
forward   lease   expenditure  would   potentially   receive                                                                    
benefits  for that  spending  some time  in  the future.  He                                                                    
agreed  that in  this way  the  system did  offer a  greater                                                                    
benefit to long-time producers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  recalled that  the state  had tried  to level                                                                    
out the situation  by paying the credits in  cash, which had                                                                    
proved unsustainable.  He wondered  what other  levers might                                                                    
help  to equalize  the treatment  between new  explorers and                                                                    
long-time producers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  thought there were  many levers, and  one could                                                                    
consider all the  elements of the tax  calculation. He spoke                                                                    
of  various  levers  that  could  be  deployed  wherein  the                                                                    
expenditures could  increase (uplift) or  decrease (degrade)                                                                    
as directed by tax policy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:59:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked Mr. Stickel  to address   uplift  as                                                                    
it pertained to the lease expenditures.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  used the example  of a company that  spent $100                                                                    
million and did  not have a tax liability to  apply. With 10                                                                    
percent  uplift, by  the end  of the  year the  $100 million                                                                    
would  become worth  $110 million  against  the next  years                                                                     
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl  mentioned   the  possibility   of  limiting                                                                    
production for  lease expenditures  to be applicable  to the                                                                    
field it  was spent in. He  thought this might make  the tax                                                                    
application  more  equal  between new  explorers  and  older                                                                    
producers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel thought  there would  be  different options  to                                                                    
consider.  He mentioned  ring fencing  and noted  that there                                                                    
was currently a  ring fence on the North  Slope, which meant                                                                    
that the expenditure  that was earned on the  slope could be                                                                    
applied  against any  production anywhere  within the  North                                                                    
Slope.  He said  that expanding  the practice  could be  one                                                                    
option the state could consider.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked Mr. Stickel to define ring fence.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  explained that for accounting  purposes, a ring                                                                    
fence  signified   what  geography  was   contemplated  when                                                                    
calculating  the  tax. He  stated  that  there was  a  North                                                                    
Slope-wide  ring fence,  which  meant that  a company  would                                                                    
look  at  all  production  and  spending  on  the  slope  to                                                                    
calculate  their  North  Slope  tax.  He  furthered  that  a                                                                    
company that  did business  in multiple  areas of  the state                                                                    
would  not  include Cook  Inlet  production  in their  North                                                                    
Slope ring  fence tax.  He said that  ring fencing  could be                                                                    
done on a field specific basis.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:02:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  mentioned the  challenge of  a development                                                                    
within  a ring  fence  and  the occasion  of  a new  entrant                                                                    
outside the  ring fence.  He mentioned  numerous discussions                                                                    
around   the    economic   advantages    and   disadvantages                                                                    
surrounding ring  fencing, particularly on the  North Slope.                                                                    
He reminded that all the  mechanisms being discussed changed                                                                    
the cash  flow. He said  that ring  fencing was a  tool that                                                                    
could be  a double-edged sword.  He reiterated that  all the                                                                    
mechanisms discussed affected timing and flow of cash.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:04:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl   pointed   out  that   lease   expenditures                                                                    
constituted  one of  the  bigger numbers  on  the slide.  He                                                                    
asked  how  much  transparency   there  was  regarding  what                                                                    
Alaskans could see regarding deductions  on the North Slope.                                                                    
He asked  if the state  was comparable with what  the public                                                                    
could see in other jurisdictions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel explained that  taxpayer confidentiality had its                                                                    
limitations.  Information  specific  to  a  single  taxpayer                                                                    
could not be  released. He noted that Appendix D  of the RSB                                                                    
provided  as  much  information as  possible.  He  mentioned                                                                    
information  on  the  ten-year forecast,  which  broke  down                                                                    
information on  and off  the North Slope.  He said  that the                                                                    
department  had provided  information breaking  out the  10-                                                                    
year  history   and  10-year  forecast  between   the  total                                                                    
allowable  and  total   deductible  lease  expenditures.  He                                                                    
asserted that the department was  as transparent as possible                                                                    
given the limitations of statute.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wanted to separate operating  from capital                                                                    
- what  was deductible and what  was not. He noted  that the                                                                    
states had  adopted the federal definition  of operating and                                                                    
capital  costs. He  noted a  list of  exclusions in  the tax                                                                    
code.  He thought  that the  more  the state  could rely  on                                                                    
federal  definitions the  smoother the  relationship between                                                                    
sovereign entities and industry.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:08:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl   wondered   about  comparable   levels   of                                                                    
confidentiality  and  disclosure  in  other  states  or  oil                                                                    
provinces.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel thought  the  state's  tax confidentiality  was                                                                    
standard across states. He continued  that Alaska was unique                                                                    
when it came to a net-profits  bases tax system.  Many other                                                                    
states   were  not   collecting   information  about   lease                                                                    
expenditures. He  said that the collection  and reporting of                                                                    
information was greater in Alaska than in other states.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  thought   that  Alaska   was  distinctly                                                                    
different since  the state owned  the subsurface  rights. He                                                                    
thought Alaska  was more  like Alberta,  Canada. He  did not                                                                    
believe that  other state would ever  replicate Alaskas  tax                                                                    
structure because  they did not have  the subsurface rights.                                                                    
He warned  that this matter  was significant to  account for                                                                    
when making comparisons between states.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:10:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  looked at slide  12, "Production Tax  "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous  slide   with  a   highlighted  area   showing  the                                                                    
calculation of  production tax value (PTV).  He defined that                                                                    
production   tax  value   was  gross   value  at   point  of                                                                    
production,   less  deductible   lease  expenditures.   Each                                                                    
company  calculated its  own PTV  based on  all North  Slope                                                                    
activity,  including  all  fields and  developments  on  the                                                                    
slope.  The  PTV   was  essentially  a  tax   base  for  the                                                                    
production taxes. The PVT was  also what DOR would reference                                                                    
when considering effective tax rates  and how the profit was                                                                    
distributed  between federal  government, state  government,                                                                    
and producers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  cited   that  for  FY  24,   DOR  estimated  a                                                                    
production  tax value  of $44.10  per barrel,  with a  total                                                                    
production tax value of $7.1 billion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:11:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  showed slide  13,  "Production  Tax "Order  of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous  slide  with  a   highlighted  area  showing  Gross                                                                    
Minimum Tax  Floor. For illustrative  purposes, the  tax was                                                                    
shown as two  parallel tax calculations shown  side by side,                                                                    
with the  tax due being the  higher of the two.  The minimum                                                                    
tax  floor  was  4  percent  of  gross  value  at  point  of                                                                    
production  anytime the  annual oil  price was  greater than                                                                    
$25 per  barrel. He related  the slide showed a  minimum tax                                                                    
floor of $460 million for FY24.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:13:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop asked  whether the state hit  the minimum tax                                                                    
floor in FY21.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel relayed  that there  were  some companies  that                                                                    
were  paying the  minimum tax  in  FY21. He  added that  the                                                                    
total receipts had been just above the minimum.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  offered a  footnote that  the presentation                                                                    
dealt with consolidated data.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel added  that generally  companies moved  off the                                                                    
minimum tax when oil reached  the range between $50/bbl. and                                                                    
$70/bbl.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:14:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  referenced slide 14, "Production  Tax "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous slide with  a highlighted area showing  Net Tax and                                                                    
Gross Value Reduction  (GVR). He explained that  the GVR was                                                                    
an incentive for new development.  The GVR allowed a company                                                                    
to  exclude either  20 percent  or 30  percent of  the gross                                                                    
value,  for qualifying  fields,  from  their production  tax                                                                    
value calculation, which reduced the  tax base for their net                                                                    
tax calculation.  The 20 percent applied  for qualifying new                                                                    
fields and  the 30 percent  GVR was for fields  comprised of                                                                    
exclusively  state-issued leases  with greater  than a  12.5                                                                    
percent royalty.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel continued that another  provision of the GVR was                                                                    
that any  eligible field received  a flat $5 per  barrel tax                                                                    
credit,  which  could be  applied  to  reduce tax  liability                                                                    
below  the  minimum  tax  if companies  did  not  also  take                                                                    
sliding scale credits.  He  noted that the GVR was temporary                                                                    
and  expired after  7 years  of  production or  after any  3                                                                    
years where ANS averaged greater than $70/bbl.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:17:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl asked  whether Mr.  Stickel  could provide  a                                                                    
sense of how broad or narrow the  new oil  definition was.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel responded  that the  definition would  apply to                                                                    
qualifying new producing areas, or  ne fields, and there was                                                                    
a provision for  the expansion of an existing  area. He said                                                                    
that any of the major new  developments on the slope had the                                                                    
potential to qualify for the GVR.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl surmised  that the  GVR could  then apply  to                                                                    
legacy fields.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel relayed  that  a new  producing  area within  a                                                                    
legacy  field, or  potentially an  expansion of  an existing                                                                    
producing area, could qualify.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:18:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel continued to address  slide 14. He said that the                                                                    
department  was estimating  a reduction  of $146  million in                                                                    
production tax value in FY24.  He furthered that the net tax                                                                    
would  be based  on the  tax  value, after  the gross  value                                                                    
reduction, multiplied by the 30  percent statutory tax rate,                                                                    
which resulted  in a tax  (before credits)  of approximately                                                                    
$2.4 billion in  FY24. The net tax  calculation was compared                                                                    
to  the minimum  tax floor  and then  the higher  number was                                                                    
used as the production tax before application of credits.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:19:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  turned to slide  15, "Production Tax  "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous slide  with a highlighted area  showing tax credits                                                                    
against  liability.  In  current   statute  there  were  two                                                                    
primary credits,  or per taxable  barrel credits.  He shared                                                                    
that one  credit was  for GVR eligible  oil and  another for                                                                    
all other oil. He said that most credits were in the non-                                                                       
GVR category.   He  noted that GVR  was a  temporary benefit                                                                    
and  as  time  progressed  fields  currently  receiving  the                                                                    
benefits would  age out of  the benefit as new  fields would                                                                    
potentially qualify  for the GVR.  He relayed that  for non-                                                                    
GVR production there was  a sliding scale per-taxable-barrel                                                                    
credit. The sliding  scale credit was $8  per taxable barrel                                                                    
when the well  head value of the oil was  less than $80/bbl.                                                                    
This decreased in $10 increments  of well head value until a                                                                    
well head value  of greater than $150/bbl.  was reached, and                                                                    
the sliding scale  credit reduced to zero. He  said that the                                                                    
sliding scale  credit could  not be used  to reduce  the tax                                                                    
below the minimum tax floor and  if a company chose to apply                                                                    
the credit no  other credits or deductions could  be used to                                                                    
reduce the minimum tax floor.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel said  that for production that  was eligible for                                                                    
the  GVR,  a flat  $5  per  taxable barrel  credit,  without                                                                    
sliding scale for GVR oil, was  available. He said that if a                                                                    
company did  not take sliding  scale credit, they  could use                                                                    
the  $5/bbl.  credit  to  reduce  tax  liability  below  the                                                                    
minimum tax  floor, potentially to  zero. He  considered the                                                                    
per-taxable-barrel  credits,   which  were   different  than                                                                    
credits  in the  past and  could not  be carried  forward or                                                                    
refunded.  There was  a small  amount of  other tax  credits                                                                    
against liability, which was about  $.7 million in FY24, and                                                                    
represented  small producer  credits. No  prior-year credits                                                                    
were forecasted in FY24 tax calculation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked about the  small producer  credits and                                                                    
asked about the per day  and annual production levels of the                                                                    
smaller producers.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel relayed  that the  small producer's  credit had                                                                    
been available  to companies with less  than 100,000 barrels                                                                    
per day  of production. He  stated that the credit  had been                                                                    
phased out for new entrants.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for Mr.  Stickel  to  discuss  the                                                                    
function  of the  sliding per-barrel  credit.  He asked  how                                                                    
often the credit was calculated.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  replied that the  production tax was  an annual                                                                    
tax  that had  monthly elements.  He said  that the  sliding                                                                    
scale  per-taxable-scale  credit  was  based  on  a  monthly                                                                    
calculation. He furthered  that at the end of  the year when                                                                    
a  company filed  its annual  tax return,  there would  be a                                                                    
true-up   calculation  through   which  the   company  would                                                                    
reconcile excess  per taxable barrel credits  that could not                                                                    
be applied in the monthly installment payment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:26:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  considered slide 16, "Production  Tax "Order of                                                                    
Operations":  FY  2024," which  showed  the  table from  the                                                                    
previous slide  with a highlighted area  showing adjustments                                                                    
and  total  tax  paid.  He explained  that  the  adjustments                                                                    
represented  prior  year  tax payment  or  refunds,  private                                                                    
landowner  royalty  tax, tax  revenue  for  North Slope  gas                                                                    
production, net  tax revenue from production  in Cook Inlet,                                                                    
a  conservation surcharge,  and any  other company  specific                                                                    
issue  that cause  the illustrative  tax calculation  to not                                                                    
match  the company  specific calculation.  He said  that the                                                                    
projected  net sum  of all  these items  was $16.9  million,                                                                    
with a  total tax  paid to  the state  of $1,236.9.  He said                                                                    
that all  but $8 million of  that total went to  the General                                                                    
Fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel added  that at the bottom of the  slide showed a                                                                    
forecast   of  about   $882  million   in   net  new   lease                                                                    
expenditures earned and carried forward.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:28:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  displayed slide 17, "Order  of Operations: Five                                                                    
Year Comparison," which showed  a table that represented the                                                                    
same slide  as previous  slides over  a 5-year  timespan. He                                                                    
highlighted that  the production tax value  ranged from $3.5                                                                    
billion in FY21,  increasing to over $8 billion  in FY22 and                                                                    
FY23. He  noted the  projection of approximately  $7 billion                                                                    
in  FY 24  and over  $6 billion  in FY25.  He said  that the                                                                    
projections  correlated to  changes  in  the expected  total                                                                    
production  tax revenue  received by  the state.  He relayed                                                                    
that the net tax was expected  to be the higher tax into the                                                                    
future. He  pointed out the  total estimated  ending balance                                                                    
of  the carried  forward lease  expenditures at  the end  of                                                                    
each fiscal  year, which would  reflect the  potential total                                                                    
deductions that  could offset future year  tax calculations.                                                                    
He  furthered that  the  effective tax  rate  had also  been                                                                    
added and represented  the total tax paid to the  state as a                                                                    
share  of  production tax  value.  He  said that  given  the                                                                    
various tax  credits available, the  effective tax  rate was                                                                    
lower than the statutory 35 percent tax rate.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked Mr.  Stickel  to  get back  to  the                                                                    
committee  with  additional   information  about  royalties,                                                                    
corporate  income  tax, and  property  tax  relating to  the                                                                    
government share.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed to provide the information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:31:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel reviewed  slide  18,  "Illustration Assuming  a                                                                    
Single North Slope  Taxpayer: FY 2024," that  showed a table                                                                    
with a  highlighted area focused  on a single  producer that                                                                    
realized the  full value of per-taxable-barrel  credits. The                                                                    
slide contemplated what the tax  calculation would look like                                                                    
if  there were  a single  taxpayer for  the North  Slope. He                                                                    
pointed  to the  highlighted section  at the  bottom of  the                                                                    
slide. It was assumed that  if there were only one taxpayer,                                                                    
the  full $8/bbl.  sliding scale  tax credit  could be  used                                                                    
against  tax  liability. He  stated  that  currently it  was                                                                    
assumed that some  smaller companies could not  use the full                                                                    
$8/bbl. tax  credit. He said  that the  assumption projected                                                                    
$1.19 billion in FY24.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:33:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  went  back  to slide  17,  which  showed  a                                                                    
projected total of  $1,236.9 total tax paid to  the state in                                                                    
FY24.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel agreed  that  for FY  24,  the projected  total                                                                    
production tax was approximately $1.2 billion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  observed  that  slide  6  showed  that  the                                                                    
projected royalty to the three  dedicated funds for FY24 was                                                                    
approximately $1.7 billion.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  surmised  that the  total  revenue  to  the                                                                    
treasury was $3.4 billion.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thought it was important  to recognize all                                                                    
the components  that comprised state  revenue and  that that                                                                    
some of  the funds did not  end up in the  treasury but were                                                                    
distributed  on the  local level.  He asked  Mr. Stickel  to                                                                    
include the  amounts that went  to boroughs  and communities                                                                    
when he provided total state revenue data to the committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed to provide the information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  reiterated the  importance of  providing a                                                                    
holistic view of the states fiscal picture.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:35:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  referenced slide  19, "State  Petroleum Revenue                                                                    
by  Land  Type,"  which  showed  a  table  representing  the                                                                    
concept that  "all oil is  not equal." The table  showed how                                                                    
state  petroleum revenues  varied by  land type.  There were                                                                    
different provisions  for royalty  depending upon  where the                                                                    
oil was  produced. The  state received  all the  royalty for                                                                    
production  on   state  lands,  a   share  of   royalty  for                                                                    
production  on  federal lands,  and  no  direct revenue  for                                                                    
production over 6 feet offshore.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:37:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel showed slide 20, "Gross Value Reduction":                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     • Gross  Value Reduction (GVR) is  an incentive program                                                                    
     for new fields.                                                                                                            
     •  Available for  the first  seven years  of production                                                                    
     and  ends early  if  ANS prices  average  over $70  per                                                                    
     barrel for any three years.                                                                                                
     • Allows companies  to exclude 20% or 30%  of the gross                                                                    
     value from the net production tax calculation.                                                                             
     • In  lieu of sliding scale  Non-GVR Per-Taxable Barrel                                                                    
     Credit, qualifying  production receives  a flat  $5 GVR                                                                    
     Per-Taxable-Barrel Credit.                                                                                                 
     • The  $5 GVR Per-Taxable-Barrel Credit  can be applied                                                                    
     to reduce  tax liability  below the minimum  tax floor,                                                                    
     assuming that  the producer does not  apply any sliding                                                                    
     scale Non-GVR Per-Taxable Barrel Credits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel reminded  that the GVR was part of  SB 21, which                                                                    
passed in 2013.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  addressed the second bullet  on the slide,                                                                    
and asked  where the state was  in the exclusion of  the GVR                                                                    
timeframe.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel explained  that the GVR was  calculated for each                                                                    
field and  each field  had its own  GVR timeline,  the first                                                                    
potential year being  the first year of  production. He said                                                                    
that a  schedule was maintained  for all  qualifying fields.                                                                    
He added  that some fields  had graduated from the  GVR, and                                                                    
some fields had been grandfathered  in upon inception of the                                                                    
GVR.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:39:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  reviewed  slide  21,  "Petroleum  Detail:  UGF                                                                    
Relative  to  Price per  Barrel  (without  POMV), FY  2024,"                                                                    
which showed a line graph. He  noted that slide 21 and slide                                                                    
22  were   a  re-hash   of  slides   shown  in   an  earlier                                                                    
presentation and  were intended  to reiterate the  impact of                                                                    
different oil taxes on the tax system.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:41:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  showed  slide  22,  "  Petroleum  Detail:  UGF                                                                    
Relative  to Price  per Barrel  (without  POMV), FY  2024FY                                                                     
2026 * (*Fall 2022 revenue Sources Book Appendix A-1.)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  whether the  department  held  all                                                                    
things constant  but price  when conducting  the sensitivity                                                                    
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  explained  that  when  doing  the  sensitivity                                                                    
analysis,   the  department   held  the   major  assumptions                                                                    
constant  and  applied  an elasticity  assumption  to  lease                                                                    
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if the  elasticity of  expenditures                                                                    
was more applicable to multiple years or withing 12 months.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel   explained  that  DOR  currently   assumed  an                                                                    
elasticity   of  .3,   which  was   derived  from   academic                                                                    
literature  that suggested  a 10  percent increase  in price                                                                    
would   correspond  to   a  3   percent  increase   in  leas                                                                    
expenditures. He  noted that there would  be both short-term                                                                    
and  long-term  price  changes. He  said  that  a  sustained                                                                    
increase  or  decrease in  price  relative  to the  forecast                                                                    
would be reflected in long-term operating costs.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:44:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl mentioned progressivity.  He asked Mr. Stickel                                                                    
to get  back to the  committee with nominal  effective rates                                                                    
across price ranges.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for clarification on the question.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl clarified he wanted the nominal and effective                                                                     
tax rates for various oil prices.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel agreed to provide the information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  thanked the department for  presenting. He                                                                    
noted  that the  committee had  heard from  consultants over                                                                    
the years on the oil  tax structure and industry. He advised                                                                    
that there would be more  information and discussion to come                                                                    
on the matter over the next few months.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman discussed the agenda for the following                                                                         
week.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:47:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:47 a.m.